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	<title>Comments on: Subversive Photos from the DC Antiwar Rally 1/27/07</title>
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		<title>By: James Bovard &#124; Antiwar Radio with Scott Horton and Charles Goyette</title>
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		<title>By: Jim</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Jan 2007 23:17:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I read something about that on Monday. It was not some grand swell of humanity involved - it didn't show up on my radar screen.

Joann Wypijewski had a good piece on the demonstration on &lt;strong&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.counterpunch.org/jw01292007.html" rel="nofollow" rel="nofollow"&gt;Counterpunch &lt;/a&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;on Monday. Her piece, entitled "Chirpy Slogans, Empty City," noted a breakaway from the march:

&lt;em&gt;"The anarchist kids, the revived SDS, a youthful band bearing red and black flags, one saying "An Army of None", swept up the stairs of the Capitol. We joined them and for a brief time the whole thing felt like it should -- electric and raw, impolite. We were chanting and drumming and some of the kids started spray-painting slogans on the landing where police had stopped our progress. &lt;/em&gt;

&lt;em&gt;It was too bad the tagger I was watching couldn't come up with anything more original than "Fuck You" or the encircled A. Not the best advertisement for Anarchism's political program, but then the kids in black always have been better at theater and destructive energy than anything."&lt;/em&gt;

Sounds plenty damn lame to me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I read something about that on Monday. It was not some grand swell of humanity involved - it didn&#8217;t show up on my radar screen.</p>
<p>Joann Wypijewski had a good piece on the demonstration on <strong><a href="http://www.counterpunch.org/jw01292007.html" rel="nofollow" rel="nofollow">Counterpunch </a></strong>on Monday. Her piece, entitled &#8220;Chirpy Slogans, Empty City,&#8221; noted a breakaway from the march:</p>
<p><em>&#8220;The anarchist kids, the revived SDS, a youthful band bearing red and black flags, one saying &#8220;An Army of None&#8221;, swept up the stairs of the Capitol. We joined them and for a brief time the whole thing felt like it should &#8212; electric and raw, impolite. We were chanting and drumming and some of the kids started spray-painting slogans on the landing where police had stopped our progress. </em></p>
<p><em>It was too bad the tagger I was watching couldn&#8217;t come up with anything more original than &#8220;Fuck You&#8221; or the encircled A. Not the best advertisement for Anarchism&#8217;s political program, but then the kids in black always have been better at theater and destructive energy than anything.&#8221;</em></p>
<p>Sounds plenty damn lame to me.</p>
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		<title>By: Ryan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ryan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Jan 2007 21:56:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jim,

While we are discussing this veteran who was allegedly spat upon, I have this question. Is there any truth that monuments in front of the Capitol were sprayed with graffitti?

This something else the neocons on talk radio are hollering about. Over the years I've gotten to the point that anything they claim I assume to be a lie done for partisan purposes.

Thanks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jim,</p>
<p>While we are discussing this veteran who was allegedly spat upon, I have this question. Is there any truth that monuments in front of the Capitol were sprayed with graffitti?</p>
<p>This something else the neocons on talk radio are hollering about. Over the years I&#8217;ve gotten to the point that anything they claim I assume to be a lie done for partisan purposes.</p>
<p>Thanks.</p>
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		<title>By: Scott</title>
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		<dc:creator>Scott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Jan 2007 19:33:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I heard it on a partisan radio show, left or right they are all partisan. Wouldnt bet the farm on it, but they interviewed the vet, although I did not hear what they vet actually had to say.
I am a conservative but Hannity gets on my nerves, he aint conservative , he is a republican hack</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I heard it on a partisan radio show, left or right they are all partisan. Wouldnt bet the farm on it, but they interviewed the vet, although I did not hear what they vet actually had to say.<br />
I am a conservative but Hannity gets on my nerves, he aint conservative , he is a republican hack</p>
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		<title>By: Jim</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Jan 2007 15:14:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Adam - the fact that some protestors are idiots does not legitimize the dictatorial power of politicians. 

People need to find some way to rein in their rulers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Adam - the fact that some protestors are idiots does not legitimize the dictatorial power of politicians. </p>
<p>People need to find some way to rein in their rulers.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Jan 2007 15:10:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Scott - has the story about the wounded vet being spit at been confirmed?  I have seen a few things raising questions about it at Media Matters for America.

I'm not saying that the incident didn't happen  - I'm just not sure what transpired.

I spoke to a lot of folks and did not perceive anti-Veteran hostility.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Scott - has the story about the wounded vet being spit at been confirmed?  I have seen a few things raising questions about it at Media Matters for America.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not saying that the incident didn&#8217;t happen  - I&#8217;m just not sure what transpired.</p>
<p>I spoke to a lot of folks and did not perceive anti-Veteran hostility.</p>
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		<title>By: Adam S.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Adam S.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Jan 2007 15:09:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just remembered for anybody who likes Shakespeare. He gives a great parody of protests and the Left in general in 2 Henry VI. Jack Cade comes in with his mob and demands that he be made king of England so he can implement his Socialist program. He wants a national dress code of green, compulsory nation-wide anthem singing, price controls on bread (none may sell more than a hey-penny), egalitarianism, the abolition of schools and literacy, and, most famously, the killing of all lawyers. This is just something to think about whenever we see massive protests on Washington.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just remembered for anybody who likes Shakespeare. He gives a great parody of protests and the Left in general in 2 Henry VI. Jack Cade comes in with his mob and demands that he be made king of England so he can implement his Socialist program. He wants a national dress code of green, compulsory nation-wide anthem singing, price controls on bread (none may sell more than a hey-penny), egalitarianism, the abolition of schools and literacy, and, most famously, the killing of all lawyers. This is just something to think about whenever we see massive protests on Washington.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Jan 2007 15:08:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Adam - that's a great quote from Disraeli. 

I have no illusions that the average protestor is more savvy than the average member of Congress.

It would be easier and safer to ignore politicians if they were not starting wars.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Adam - that&#8217;s a great quote from Disraeli. </p>
<p>I have no illusions that the average protestor is more savvy than the average member of Congress.</p>
<p>It would be easier and safer to ignore politicians if they were not starting wars.</p>
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		<title>By: Scott</title>
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		<dc:creator>Scott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Jan 2007 15:02:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Peace, by all means !, But I am telling you one thing, If I would have been there at the time when some scum bag spit on a wounded veteran,, I would now be facing a life sentence for murder, AND I AM NOT KIDDING</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Peace, by all means !, But I am telling you one thing, If I would have been there at the time when some scum bag spit on a wounded veteran,, I would now be facing a life sentence for murder, AND I AM NOT KIDDING</p>
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		<title>By: Adam S.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Adam S.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Jan 2007 15:01:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If it were necessary to carry a bottle of whiskey while reading to counter intolerable dreck, I would have had my blood changed out with JD years ago.  My tactic is simply that when I read nonsense, I skip to the vital part and then throw away the book. Benjamin Disraeli once said that "9/10ths of all books are worthless and the only good ones are the 1/10th that disprove the rest" The same logic goes for mass protests and rallies.
    I once saw a photo of a student protest where one kid held up a sign saying "We don't know what we're protesting" Actually, it was Limbaugh himself who gave the best example of why I won't join the protests. At a 2005 rally against the Iraq war, media were interviewing protesters who were truly whacked out. One was an association called the NAFTROODP: the national assoc. for the representation of oppressed and dispossessed people, and another featured a man who gave a 5-minute protest in the form of a free verse rap. I am glad to see such people turned out in numbers, but the best way to handle politicians is to ignore them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If it were necessary to carry a bottle of whiskey while reading to counter intolerable dreck, I would have had my blood changed out with JD years ago.  My tactic is simply that when I read nonsense, I skip to the vital part and then throw away the book. Benjamin Disraeli once said that &#8220;9/10ths of all books are worthless and the only good ones are the 1/10th that disprove the rest&#8221; The same logic goes for mass protests and rallies.<br />
    I once saw a photo of a student protest where one kid held up a sign saying &#8220;We don&#8217;t know what we&#8217;re protesting&#8221; Actually, it was Limbaugh himself who gave the best example of why I won&#8217;t join the protests. At a 2005 rally against the Iraq war, media were interviewing protesters who were truly whacked out. One was an association called the NAFTROODP: the national assoc. for the representation of oppressed and dispossessed people, and another featured a man who gave a 5-minute protest in the form of a free verse rap. I am glad to see such people turned out in numbers, but the best way to handle politicians is to ignore them.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jan 2007 19:03:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There are books that should come with a pint of whiskey attached - something to kill the pain the author's wretched style &#038; reasoning is sure to induce.

On the other hand, the Maoists may have already overimbibed, else how could they become True Believers?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are books that should come with a pint of whiskey attached - something to kill the pain the author&#8217;s wretched style &#038; reasoning is sure to induce.</p>
<p>On the other hand, the Maoists may have already overimbibed, else how could they become True Believers?</p>
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		<title>By: Ryan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ryan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jan 2007 18:29:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jim,

In that case the joke is on me. I'm glad you like the commeback. They weren't amused to say the least which is typical of people who take themselves too seriously. :D

I don't think those Maoists would be willing to go the Cosco route on the book. While it was way overpriced I did offer to read it for &lt;i&gt;free&lt;/i&gt; if they were willing to give it to me, but they declined my counter offer. Come to think of it I should have ask them to not only give me the book, but pay me to read it.  

The dude who wrote it was a Bob Avarakin or something like that. I can imagine what an ordeal this book would have been having one I found someplace of the writings of the late and unlamented Kim Il Sung. Ghastly!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jim,</p>
<p>In that case the joke is on me. I&#8217;m glad you like the commeback. They weren&#8217;t amused to say the least which is typical of people who take themselves too seriously. <img src='http://jimbovard.com/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':D' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think those Maoists would be willing to go the Cosco route on the book. While it was way overpriced I did offer to read it for <i>free</i> if they were willing to give it to me, but they declined my counter offer. Come to think of it I should have ask them to not only give me the book, but pay me to read it.  </p>
<p>The dude who wrote it was a Bob Avarakin or something like that. I can imagine what an ordeal this book would have been having one I found someplace of the writings of the late and unlamented Kim Il Sung. Ghastly!</p>
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		<title>By: Jim</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jan 2007 18:15:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ryan - your joke hit the mark. Thanks for posting it.

Ya, any time there is a big public gathering there's gonna be a certain number of boneheads. 

That's a great response to the pitch to buy Maoist books.  Wonder if they would have been willing to haggle to reach a  market-clearing price.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ryan - your joke hit the mark. Thanks for posting it.</p>
<p>Ya, any time there is a big public gathering there&#8217;s gonna be a certain number of boneheads. </p>
<p>That&#8217;s a great response to the pitch to buy Maoist books.  Wonder if they would have been willing to haggle to reach a  market-clearing price.</p>
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		<title>By: Ryan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ryan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jan 2007 16:07:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry Jim,

That was a tongue in cheek joke. I listen to those idiots on the radio and Fox just to see how they are distorting if not outright lying about a person or an event. They put on quite a show yesterday by making many uses of the "sandwich smear", i.e., everyone who goes to one of these demostation is a leftist and by extentsion anyone against the war is a fellow traveller.

I've been to similar events and I know from being an organizer of one you attract all sorts of nutcases and fanatics. The one I worked at years ago had some members of the Revolutionary Communist Party show up and asked for the use of our sound system. I exchanged some words with them explaining that for what we were doing the last thing folks wanted to hear was a load of maoist crap. Having been rebuffed there they asked me if I wanted to buy one of their books. I asked them how much they wanted and upon being informed replied "that sounds like a capitalist ripoff to me" and declined to purchase.

Oh yeah, the event I was at? A pot "smoke-in" held in Atlanta.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry Jim,</p>
<p>That was a tongue in cheek joke. I listen to those idiots on the radio and Fox just to see how they are distorting if not outright lying about a person or an event. They put on quite a show yesterday by making many uses of the &#8220;sandwich smear&#8221;, i.e., everyone who goes to one of these demostation is a leftist and by extentsion anyone against the war is a fellow traveller.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve been to similar events and I know from being an organizer of one you attract all sorts of nutcases and fanatics. The one I worked at years ago had some members of the Revolutionary Communist Party show up and asked for the use of our sound system. I exchanged some words with them explaining that for what we were doing the last thing folks wanted to hear was a load of maoist crap. Having been rebuffed there they asked me if I wanted to buy one of their books. I asked them how much they wanted and upon being informed replied &#8220;that sounds like a capitalist ripoff to me&#8221; and declined to purchase.</p>
<p>Oh yeah, the event I was at? A pot &#8220;smoke-in&#8221; held in Atlanta.</p>
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		<title>By: Sam</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jan 2007 14:08:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I'm curious(I have to be careful how I word this, I don't wish to seem confrontational)why when I enter these types of blogs, there really is no real dialect.Most entries sound like little children calling each other names.I am a veteran.I've been out of the military since 1997 and I had the pleasure to serve under Bill Clinton as Commander in Chief.Mr. Clinton sent me across the globe twice(Somalia and Panama).My brother served and still serves in the Navy, where he was injured on the Cole. I've been able to see the cruelty of the world and I have a feeling that most people who write these things on blogs like this are young and naive.I too was young once and had ideas about the world before I was thrust into war and killing.Nobody has the desire or right to call for peace as the soldier does.I feel that alot of you think our soldiers bloodthirsty barbarians and the fact is, we are, but only when it is neccesary.We all know that "old men make war so that young men may fight war", this is a fact of life.But if it were not for our "young men" you people would not enjoy the rights you have today.
The question was posed:"should use hatred and violence to combat hatred and violence?" The answer is simple;yes.Not because that is what is morally right, but because it is what is neccesary.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m curious(I have to be careful how I word this, I don&#8217;t wish to seem confrontational)why when I enter these types of blogs, there really is no real dialect.Most entries sound like little children calling each other names.I am a veteran.I&#8217;ve been out of the military since 1997 and I had the pleasure to serve under Bill Clinton as Commander in Chief.Mr. Clinton sent me across the globe twice(Somalia and Panama).My brother served and still serves in the Navy, where he was injured on the Cole. I&#8217;ve been able to see the cruelty of the world and I have a feeling that most people who write these things on blogs like this are young and naive.I too was young once and had ideas about the world before I was thrust into war and killing.Nobody has the desire or right to call for peace as the soldier does.I feel that alot of you think our soldiers bloodthirsty barbarians and the fact is, we are, but only when it is neccesary.We all know that &#8220;old men make war so that young men may fight war&#8221;, this is a fact of life.But if it were not for our &#8220;young men&#8221; you people would not enjoy the rights you have today.<br />
The question was posed:&#8221;should use hatred and violence to combat hatred and violence?&#8221; The answer is simple;yes.Not because that is what is morally right, but because it is what is neccesary.</p>
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