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		<title>By: Sean O'Neil</title>
		<link>http://jimbovard.com/blog/2007/05/23/police-rampage-update-contact-info/#comment-85014</link>
		<dc:creator>Sean O'Neil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 May 2007 20:20:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mace, you're right -- but Alley Oop was a good bit more thoughtful and clever than Mr Glock-head.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mace, you&#8217;re right &#8212; but Alley Oop was a good bit more thoughtful and clever than Mr Glock-head.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim</title>
		<link>http://jimbovard.com/blog/2007/05/23/police-rampage-update-contact-info/#comment-84783</link>
		<dc:creator>Jim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 May 2007 13:27:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mace - a good cigar and a fine pair sounds like a great start - but why ruin it by wearing formalwear?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mace - a good cigar and a fine pair sounds like a great start - but why ruin it by wearing formalwear?</p>
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		<title>By: Mace Price</title>
		<link>http://jimbovard.com/blog/2007/05/23/police-rampage-update-contact-info/#comment-84491</link>
		<dc:creator>Mace Price</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 May 2007 05:03:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>..I should have a Cuban cigar, a Voluptuous young blonde on each arm of an expensive dinner jacket too...But I don't.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>..I should have a Cuban cigar, a Voluptuous young blonde on each arm of an expensive dinner jacket too&#8230;But I don&#8217;t.</p>
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		<title>By: Windy</title>
		<link>http://jimbovard.com/blog/2007/05/23/police-rampage-update-contact-info/#comment-84237</link>
		<dc:creator>Windy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 May 2007 21:00:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is my not so humble opinion that because we place law enforcement officers in a position of authority over the rest of us, that they should be held to a much higher standard of behavior.  No cop should be allowed to commit what would be a "criminal" act if committed by an ordinary citizen, no matter the reason (including "sting" operations).  Further, all cops should be required to treat every citizen, even one they are arresting, with courtesy (unless that person is actively attacking them).  No knock raids should be outlawed, then no innocent person would have a legitimate reason to shoot at them.  They should also not be allowed to shoot family pets under any circumstances, one of those pole/loop jobbies that animal control uses would suffice to prevent a family pet from attacking police in defense of its family; killing the animal is not necessary, and is downright cruel whether the arrestee is innocent or guilty, especially if children are present.  I have no problem with police tracking dogs, I do however have a problem with police attack dogs, if anything in this world should be banned, police attack dogs are one.  I would much prefer it if the police would stick to enforcing the laws against doing physical harm to another or another's property and leave the vices (drugs, prostitution, gambling, smoking, drinking in public, etc.) out of the picture.  Making criminals out of (formerly law abiding) people who have a vice that has fallen out of favor with politicians is just plain wrong and the police should not stoop to enforcing those ridiculous "moral" laws.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is my not so humble opinion that because we place law enforcement officers in a position of authority over the rest of us, that they should be held to a much higher standard of behavior.  No cop should be allowed to commit what would be a &#8220;criminal&#8221; act if committed by an ordinary citizen, no matter the reason (including &#8220;sting&#8221; operations).  Further, all cops should be required to treat every citizen, even one they are arresting, with courtesy (unless that person is actively attacking them).  No knock raids should be outlawed, then no innocent person would have a legitimate reason to shoot at them.  They should also not be allowed to shoot family pets under any circumstances, one of those pole/loop jobbies that animal control uses would suffice to prevent a family pet from attacking police in defense of its family; killing the animal is not necessary, and is downright cruel whether the arrestee is innocent or guilty, especially if children are present.  I have no problem with police tracking dogs, I do however have a problem with police attack dogs, if anything in this world should be banned, police attack dogs are one.  I would much prefer it if the police would stick to enforcing the laws against doing physical harm to another or another&#8217;s property and leave the vices (drugs, prostitution, gambling, smoking, drinking in public, etc.) out of the picture.  Making criminals out of (formerly law abiding) people who have a vice that has fallen out of favor with politicians is just plain wrong and the police should not stoop to enforcing those ridiculous &#8220;moral&#8221; laws.</p>
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		<title>By: Mace Price</title>
		<link>http://jimbovard.com/blog/2007/05/23/police-rampage-update-contact-info/#comment-83993</link>
		<dc:creator>Mace Price</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 May 2007 23:34:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>...By Neanderthal he means a Caveman with a club. Like Alley-Oop in the old funny papers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8230;By Neanderthal he means a Caveman with a club. Like Alley-Oop in the old funny papers.</p>
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		<title>By: Sean O'Neil</title>
		<link>http://jimbovard.com/blog/2007/05/23/police-rampage-update-contact-info/#comment-83974</link>
		<dc:creator>Sean O'Neil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 May 2007 22:18:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dave Sgt Glock -

If you are not a parody/satire, then I think you are a pathetic piece of coprolitic detritus.  Your attitudes presented in your various posts are condescending, and reek of a sense of superiority that extends to a right to extinguish another's life.  You are no libertarian, sir.  You wrap your bloodlust in a flag, and in a pledge to liberty, but you really seek to control others and injure or kill those with whom you do not safely agree.  Your supposed respect for the right to disagree is narrow, you charlatan.  You have repeatedly made statements cheering on the injury and murder of other humans.

You are, in a word, pathetically neandertal.

And if you are a parody/satire, you're an unfortunately unfunny one.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dave Sgt Glock -</p>
<p>If you are not a parody/satire, then I think you are a pathetic piece of coprolitic detritus.  Your attitudes presented in your various posts are condescending, and reek of a sense of superiority that extends to a right to extinguish another&#8217;s life.  You are no libertarian, sir.  You wrap your bloodlust in a flag, and in a pledge to liberty, but you really seek to control others and injure or kill those with whom you do not safely agree.  Your supposed respect for the right to disagree is narrow, you charlatan.  You have repeatedly made statements cheering on the injury and murder of other humans.</p>
<p>You are, in a word, pathetically neandertal.</p>
<p>And if you are a parody/satire, you&#8217;re an unfortunately unfunny one.</p>
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		<title>By: Mace Price</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mace Price</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 May 2007 14:25:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>...Given the viciousness of the element they deal with on a daily basis, it's one thing for Police Officers to enjoy the exercise of authority as well as its occasional qualified abuse. But quite another to give it a cynical free reign. After 12 years of swimming in these same polluted waters [Security Guard] I came away with an enormous sense of ambivalence regarding the Cops...In the end I can take 'em, or leave 'em. And I'm certain most would feel the same about me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8230;Given the viciousness of the element they deal with on a daily basis, it&#8217;s one thing for Police Officers to enjoy the exercise of authority as well as its occasional qualified abuse. But quite another to give it a cynical free reign. After 12 years of swimming in these same polluted waters [Security Guard] I came away with an enormous sense of ambivalence regarding the Cops&#8230;In the end I can take &#8216;em, or leave &#8216;em. And I&#8217;m certain most would feel the same about me.</p>
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		<title>By: &#160; Why would a trained police officer execute a dog which group of children witnessed and were playing with dog?</title>
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		<dc:creator>&#160; Why would a trained police officer execute a dog which group of children witnessed and were playing with dog?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 May 2007 13:45:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Saturdaynightspecial</title>
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		<dc:creator>Saturdaynightspecial</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 May 2007 10:29:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>quote:
"...Saturdaynight-you really need some F’ing professional help. I am not even going to lower myself by responding to your BS."

Glock: you're about as low as anyone can get. Just another punk wanna be. You came here to smell the crotch of libertarians. Quit law enforcement and take up waitressing - you'll be safer then. I can easily shove that cigar down your throat - pig.</description>
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&#8220;&#8230;Saturdaynight-you really need some F’ing professional help. I am not even going to lower myself by responding to your BS.&#8221;</p>
<p>Glock: you&#8217;re about as low as anyone can get. Just another punk wanna be. You came here to smell the crotch of libertarians. Quit law enforcement and take up waitressing - you&#8217;ll be safer then. I can easily shove that cigar down your throat - pig.</p>
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		<title>By: Brian Fleury</title>
		<link>http://jimbovard.com/blog/2007/05/23/police-rampage-update-contact-info/#comment-83557</link>
		<dc:creator>Brian Fleury</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 May 2007 08:06:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jim:

Good for you for cutting Dave Sgt. Glock some slack concerning his eventual answer to your question.

However, I did notice he said, "I did not take notice of anyone breaking any laws".

Now I don't know about you, but I see the phrase "did not take notice" as a code word for "ignored".  It expresses, IMHO, a willingness to not see.

Maybe I'm being too strict and I hope Dave will clarify.  If I am wrong, I gladly apologize to Dave.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jim:</p>
<p>Good for you for cutting Dave Sgt. Glock some slack concerning his eventual answer to your question.</p>
<p>However, I did notice he said, &#8220;I did not take notice of anyone breaking any laws&#8221;.</p>
<p>Now I don&#8217;t know about you, but I see the phrase &#8220;did not take notice&#8221; as a code word for &#8220;ignored&#8221;.  It expresses, IMHO, a willingness to not see.</p>
<p>Maybe I&#8217;m being too strict and I hope Dave will clarify.  If I am wrong, I gladly apologize to Dave.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim</title>
		<link>http://jimbovard.com/blog/2007/05/23/police-rampage-update-contact-info/#comment-83159</link>
		<dc:creator>Jim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 May 2007 18:42:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dave Sgt. Glock - I appreciate you taking the time to track down some of my writings. 

I don't agree that all cops are sadistic or merely seek the prerogative to oppress private citizens.  I have dealt with some good cops in my time and I don't forget 'em.

I think that as Congress and state legislatures enact more malum prohibitum laws (things that are banned merely because politicians say so, not because they are bad in themselves) that this is changing how police interact with the public.  Mandatory seatbelt laws are a good example. Wearing seatbelts is usually prudent but to make not wearing them a crime generates far more antagonism between police &#38; citizens.  That famous Supreme Court case a few years ago where a mother was arrested because her kids did not have on their seatbelts exemplifies this nonsense.

The massive federal funding for the militarization of local police is also changing how police interact with average Americans.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dave Sgt. Glock - I appreciate you taking the time to track down some of my writings. </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t agree that all cops are sadistic or merely seek the prerogative to oppress private citizens.  I have dealt with some good cops in my time and I don&#8217;t forget &#8216;em.</p>
<p>I think that as Congress and state legislatures enact more malum prohibitum laws (things that are banned merely because politicians say so, not because they are bad in themselves) that this is changing how police interact with the public.  Mandatory seatbelt laws are a good example. Wearing seatbelts is usually prudent but to make not wearing them a crime generates far more antagonism between police &amp; citizens.  That famous Supreme Court case a few years ago where a mother was arrested because her kids did not have on their seatbelts exemplifies this nonsense.</p>
<p>The massive federal funding for the militarization of local police is also changing how police interact with average Americans.</p>
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		<title>By: Mace Price</title>
		<link>http://jimbovard.com/blog/2007/05/23/police-rampage-update-contact-info/#comment-83155</link>
		<dc:creator>Mace Price</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 May 2007 18:30:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>...To presuppose there is more than touch of Inherent Sadism within every Police Officers personalty; is as reliable an instinct as a Bad Hangover being the price of a Good Drunk. I would know about both.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8230;To presuppose there is more than touch of Inherent Sadism within every Police Officers personalty; is as reliable an instinct as a Bad Hangover being the price of a Good Drunk. I would know about both.</p>
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		<title>By: Brian Fleury</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brian Fleury</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 May 2007 18:30:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>agree with your point that the police, “have been made a higher, separate class of citizen” and IMHO there are good as well as bad aspects to that.  While all persons should not be prejudged and be allowed to show what kind of person they are before an opinion is formed, by that same token, they cannot and should not be condemned as a group.

I have always been troubled by the idea that there should be separate laws governing assaults on law enforcement people and ordinary citizens.  However, I think society is making a point that those that they expect to enforce the laws should be given civic support, in the same way that first responders and firefighters are accorded respect for the difficult and often heroic jobs they perform.

That said, I remember when the FDNY was honored in Madison Square Garden for their work and that of their fallen comrades after the attack on the WTC.  The first lady of the US showed up on stage and they booed her.  I thought to myself, for heroes these guys are acting like boorish thugs.  That's because every person is a mixture of good and bad characteristics, so they cannot be immediately condemned nor canonized due to their station or occupation.

I will be perfectly frank, as I get older I have more of tendency to think of cops not as the “thin blue line that separates anarchy and civilization” but a bunch of bad ass people who simply work to protect the elite and keep everyone else in line.  I'm sure the truth lies somewhere in between.

I think everyone can agree that they have a tough job and are asked to get involved in things (like domestic disturbances) that they have neither the training nor the temperament to handle.  Plus, think about it this way – if nearly every time you interacted with the general citizenry, you saw anger and violence with a good measure directed at you just because you're a police officer, that's bound to mess with your head.

So, they retreat to the safety of those who understand even more than their wives (or husbands) and families – their compatriots on the force.  They watch their back and visa-versa.  It's a vicious circle.

However, I have no patience with cops wining about the fact that they need more firepower or be given leave to do whatever they judge necessary to keep what they perceive as the peace.  If a police officer goes to work scared every day then I say he should be fired so he can get a more appropriate job.  In addition, you have the factor of those who actually want the power and enjoy lording it over their fellow citizens.

They shouldn't get on the force in the first place.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>agree with your point that the police, “have been made a higher, separate class of citizen” and IMHO there are good as well as bad aspects to that.  While all persons should not be prejudged and be allowed to show what kind of person they are before an opinion is formed, by that same token, they cannot and should not be condemned as a group.</p>
<p>I have always been troubled by the idea that there should be separate laws governing assaults on law enforcement people and ordinary citizens.  However, I think society is making a point that those that they expect to enforce the laws should be given civic support, in the same way that first responders and firefighters are accorded respect for the difficult and often heroic jobs they perform.</p>
<p>That said, I remember when the FDNY was honored in Madison Square Garden for their work and that of their fallen comrades after the attack on the WTC.  The first lady of the US showed up on stage and they booed her.  I thought to myself, for heroes these guys are acting like boorish thugs.  That&#8217;s because every person is a mixture of good and bad characteristics, so they cannot be immediately condemned nor canonized due to their station or occupation.</p>
<p>I will be perfectly frank, as I get older I have more of tendency to think of cops not as the “thin blue line that separates anarchy and civilization” but a bunch of bad ass people who simply work to protect the elite and keep everyone else in line.  I&#8217;m sure the truth lies somewhere in between.</p>
<p>I think everyone can agree that they have a tough job and are asked to get involved in things (like domestic disturbances) that they have neither the training nor the temperament to handle.  Plus, think about it this way – if nearly every time you interacted with the general citizenry, you saw anger and violence with a good measure directed at you just because you&#8217;re a police officer, that&#8217;s bound to mess with your head.</p>
<p>So, they retreat to the safety of those who understand even more than their wives (or husbands) and families – their compatriots on the force.  They watch their back and visa-versa.  It&#8217;s a vicious circle.</p>
<p>However, I have no patience with cops wining about the fact that they need more firepower or be given leave to do whatever they judge necessary to keep what they perceive as the peace.  If a police officer goes to work scared every day then I say he should be fired so he can get a more appropriate job.  In addition, you have the factor of those who actually want the power and enjoy lording it over their fellow citizens.</p>
<p>They shouldn&#8217;t get on the force in the first place.</p>
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		<title>By: Mace Price</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mace Price</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 May 2007 18:22:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>...Government, or Machiavelli's prescient definition of The State, i.e they are either Republics or Monarchies; are in their effect on the Governed what George Washington characterized them as. The final arbiter of "Force." 

Thomas Jefferson succinctly addressed the why of this actuality in an 1800 Report on The State of Virginia. wherein he defines the essential paradigm that drives The Realpolitik; both Foreign and Domestic: "If once the people become inattentive to Public Affairs, you and I and Congress and Assemblies, Judges and Governors shall all become Wolves. It seems to be the law of our general nature in spite of individual exceptions." 

Reality thus being what it is. I would admonish Sgt. Glock that Wolves, like men both exist within Hierarchical Societies.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8230;Government, or Machiavelli&#8217;s prescient definition of The State, i.e they are either Republics or Monarchies; are in their effect on the Governed what George Washington characterized them as. The final arbiter of &#8220;Force.&#8221; </p>
<p>Thomas Jefferson succinctly addressed the why of this actuality in an 1800 Report on The State of Virginia. wherein he defines the essential paradigm that drives The Realpolitik; both Foreign and Domestic: &#8220;If once the people become inattentive to Public Affairs, you and I and Congress and Assemblies, Judges and Governors shall all become Wolves. It seems to be the law of our general nature in spite of individual exceptions.&#8221; </p>
<p>Reality thus being what it is. I would admonish Sgt. Glock that Wolves, like men both exist within Hierarchical Societies.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave Sgt. Glock</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave Sgt. Glock</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 May 2007 18:12:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I may have reacted out of anger intitially at Jim, but now that I have researched some of his writings I feel he has some good points. I do not agree with everything he believes in but that is what makes our country great.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Saturdaynight-you really need some F'ing professional help. I am not even going to lower myself by responding to your BS.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I may have reacted out of anger intitially at Jim, but now that I have researched some of his writings I feel he has some good points. I do not agree with everything he believes in but that is what makes our country great.</p>
<p>Saturdaynight-you really need some F&#8217;ing professional help. I am not even going to lower myself by responding to your BS.</p>
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