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	<title>Comments on: The Latest Torture Twists &#038; Turns</title>
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		<title>By: Mace Price</title>
		<link>http://jimbovard.com/blog/2007/11/06/the-latest-torture-twists-turns/#comment-111786</link>
		<dc:creator>Mace Price</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Nov 2007 00:25:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>...One established Politician's worth 6 or 7 Federal Judges.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8230;One established Politician&#8217;s worth 6 or 7 Federal Judges.</p>
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		<title>By: Tory</title>
		<link>http://jimbovard.com/blog/2007/11/06/the-latest-torture-twists-turns/#comment-111780</link>
		<dc:creator>Tory</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Nov 2007 14:51:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The courts never learn. They admit the Japanese/American internment was their worst period, but they still lean towards our gov't that can do no wrong. They still lean towards providing for the public's safety and the age old excuse 'national security', even after it's so obvious we are no less safe.

They give away our freedom only to be politically correct.

It's been a training ground for political appointees (SCOTUS).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The courts never learn. They admit the Japanese/American internment was their worst period, but they still lean towards our gov&#8217;t that can do no wrong. They still lean towards providing for the public&#8217;s safety and the age old excuse &#8216;national security&#8217;, even after it&#8217;s so obvious we are no less safe.</p>
<p>They give away our freedom only to be politically correct.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s been a training ground for political appointees (SCOTUS).</p>
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		<title>By: Mace Price</title>
		<link>http://jimbovard.com/blog/2007/11/06/the-latest-torture-twists-turns/#comment-111760</link>
		<dc:creator>Mace Price</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Nov 2007 09:34:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>...Kucinich is a comitted Leftist. He's been as much all of his Political career.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8230;Kucinich is a comitted Leftist. He&#8217;s been as much all of his Political career.</p>
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		<title>By: Tory</title>
		<link>http://jimbovard.com/blog/2007/11/06/the-latest-torture-twists-turns/#comment-111751</link>
		<dc:creator>Tory</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Nov 2007 22:50:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Which candidate does the military like the most ?

RonPaul (RP) on YouTube:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AFfdB5OzlyQ&#38;NR=1

There is nothing negative to say about Ron Pauls' campaign for President - nothing. Imagine the pleasure of walking into a polling booth and seeing Ron Pauls' name on the ballot.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Which candidate does the military like the most ?</p>
<p>RonPaul (RP) on YouTube:<br />
<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AFfdB5OzlyQ&amp;NR=1" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AFfdB5OzlyQ&amp;NR=1</a></p>
<p>There is nothing negative to say about Ron Pauls&#8217; campaign for President - nothing. Imagine the pleasure of walking into a polling booth and seeing Ron Pauls&#8217; name on the ballot.</p>
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		<title>By: Tory</title>
		<link>http://jimbovard.com/blog/2007/11/06/the-latest-torture-twists-turns/#comment-111750</link>
		<dc:creator>Tory</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Nov 2007 22:18:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kucinich Takes House Floor to impeach Cheney:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yJYbgouqlMw

Nothing wrong with that.

"We gottem on their last throes" (Cheney,2003)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kucinich Takes House Floor to impeach Cheney:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yJYbgouqlMw" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yJYbgouqlMw</a></p>
<p>Nothing wrong with that.</p>
<p>&#8220;We gottem on their last throes&#8221; (Cheney,2003)</p>
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		<title>By: Tory</title>
		<link>http://jimbovard.com/blog/2007/11/06/the-latest-torture-twists-turns/#comment-111748</link>
		<dc:creator>Tory</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Nov 2007 19:33:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>He's a socialist who wants to spend the money Bush spends in Iraq here on gov't programs and more central planning.

The Framers game plan included an armed citizenry. 

Cleveland is getting a reputation for ignoring the US Constitution and state laws too. So much for the rule of law.

 Hitler prohibited Jews from possessing guns. The SS confiscated them. Auschwitz was built in Poland (as planned) in the heart of its natural resources. After the SS rounded up all the disarmed Jews they were shipped (like cattle) to Auschwitz. The men were separated from the rest for slave labor; the rest were exterminated. Kucinich believes we are not responsible enough or mature enough to keep our handguns. People like Kucinich believe what happened in Germany can't happen here; for now that's true until we elect enough politicians like him. After all the Kucinichs' have their way, there will be no way we ever stop US foreign imperialism.

I don't know how anyone can equate Ron Paul to Kucinich. Hillary (like many other democrats) will continue the occupation. At least republicans leave us with the tools needed to stop them. [This is the crap Bush creates.]

The socialists are as bad as the others. FDR, LBJ, etc.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>He&#8217;s a socialist who wants to spend the money Bush spends in Iraq here on gov&#8217;t programs and more central planning.</p>
<p>The Framers game plan included an armed citizenry. </p>
<p>Cleveland is getting a reputation for ignoring the US Constitution and state laws too. So much for the rule of law.</p>
<p> Hitler prohibited Jews from possessing guns. The SS confiscated them. Auschwitz was built in Poland (as planned) in the heart of its natural resources. After the SS rounded up all the disarmed Jews they were shipped (like cattle) to Auschwitz. The men were separated from the rest for slave labor; the rest were exterminated. Kucinich believes we are not responsible enough or mature enough to keep our handguns. People like Kucinich believe what happened in Germany can&#8217;t happen here; for now that&#8217;s true until we elect enough politicians like him. After all the Kucinichs&#8217; have their way, there will be no way we ever stop US foreign imperialism.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know how anyone can equate Ron Paul to Kucinich. Hillary (like many other democrats) will continue the occupation. At least republicans leave us with the tools needed to stop them. [This is the crap Bush creates.]</p>
<p>The socialists are as bad as the others. FDR, LBJ, etc.</p>
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		<title>By: Dirk W. Sabin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dirk W. Sabin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Nov 2007 16:24:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As much as one might disagree with Kucinech on a host of issues, one has to admit that he establishes positions based upon his own reasoning and then holds them and defends them comes what may. He and Ron Paul represent a strain of American Politics that has been lacking for too long. While everyone else scrambles for consensus or obfuscation enroute to a majority, these men hold to reason in vain hope that their might be some faint love of it remaining within the easily distracted American. 

Both have my admiration if for no other reason than they continue to adhere to the Framer's game plan of informed reason, principle and steadiness in the face of the current self-destructive American Politics of Chicanery. A collegial conversation between these two belligerants would be an education for every American.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As much as one might disagree with Kucinech on a host of issues, one has to admit that he establishes positions based upon his own reasoning and then holds them and defends them comes what may. He and Ron Paul represent a strain of American Politics that has been lacking for too long. While everyone else scrambles for consensus or obfuscation enroute to a majority, these men hold to reason in vain hope that their might be some faint love of it remaining within the easily distracted American. </p>
<p>Both have my admiration if for no other reason than they continue to adhere to the Framer&#8217;s game plan of informed reason, principle and steadiness in the face of the current self-destructive American Politics of Chicanery. A collegial conversation between these two belligerants would be an education for every American.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim</title>
		<link>http://jimbovard.com/blog/2007/11/06/the-latest-torture-twists-turns/#comment-111739</link>
		<dc:creator>Jim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Nov 2007 05:10:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tom - Thanks for posting the link to the excellent UK piece on torturing for war.  I had missed that story. 

I wonder if the SS did the same thing with the Polish prisoners they shot before invading on September 1, 1939.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tom - Thanks for posting the link to the excellent UK piece on torturing for war.  I had missed that story. </p>
<p>I wonder if the SS did the same thing with the Polish prisoners they shot before invading on September 1, 1939.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim</title>
		<link>http://jimbovard.com/blog/2007/11/06/the-latest-torture-twists-turns/#comment-111738</link>
		<dc:creator>Jim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Nov 2007 05:07:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Annie - you're right  - Kucinich should be getting more respect.  He has more courage on the war than the other Dem. candidates combined.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Annie - you&#8217;re right  - Kucinich should be getting more respect.  He has more courage on the war than the other Dem. candidates combined.</p>
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		<title>By: Tory</title>
		<link>http://jimbovard.com/blog/2007/11/06/the-latest-torture-twists-turns/#comment-111733</link>
		<dc:creator>Tory</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Nov 2007 23:33:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Both sides are destroying America; one with foreign policy the other with socialism. Both create leviathan (the problem).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Both sides are destroying America; one with foreign policy the other with socialism. Both create leviathan (the problem).</p>
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		<title>By: Mace Price</title>
		<link>http://jimbovard.com/blog/2007/11/06/the-latest-torture-twists-turns/#comment-111729</link>
		<dc:creator>Mace Price</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Nov 2007 17:53:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>...Call it what you want, I call it Tyranny...Why? It remains this Goddamned simple and this sickeningly brief Gentlemen: If they can Waterboard them on a Subjective Basis? They can Waterboard---or drown---You too. And they will...After all, if Mr. Suskind is to be believed, they now "Create Realities of their own for you to study" They are: "History's Actors"---Knowing at least a few things about History, I can tell you that that level of self referential self aggrandizing threat, is a Goddamned aberration right out of Orwell...I further believe, as proclaimed by this singular mental case, it is a state of affairs that holds every potential of becoming Draconian. It is nothing less than a menacing advertisement for an insane synthesis to be imposed at a future juncture. One that should not, and cannot be tolerated by a Free and Democratic people.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8230;Call it what you want, I call it Tyranny&#8230;Why? It remains this Goddamned simple and this sickeningly brief Gentlemen: If they can Waterboard them on a Subjective Basis? They can Waterboard&#8212;or drown&#8212;You too. And they will&#8230;After all, if Mr. Suskind is to be believed, they now &#8220;Create Realities of their own for you to study&#8221; They are: &#8220;History&#8217;s Actors&#8221;&#8212;Knowing at least a few things about History, I can tell you that that level of self referential self aggrandizing threat, is a Goddamned aberration right out of Orwell&#8230;I further believe, as proclaimed by this singular mental case, it is a state of affairs that holds every potential of becoming Draconian. It is nothing less than a menacing advertisement for an insane synthesis to be imposed at a future juncture. One that should not, and cannot be tolerated by a Free and Democratic people.</p>
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		<title>By: Tom Blanton</title>
		<link>http://jimbovard.com/blog/2007/11/06/the-latest-torture-twists-turns/#comment-111728</link>
		<dc:creator>Tom Blanton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Nov 2007 16:17:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>An interesting article appeared in the The Observer this weekend about mercenary interrogators being pressured to obtain information from Iraqis that can be used for propaganda for a war against Iran. Can we call this Operation Waterboarding For War?

http://observer.guardian.co.uk/world/story/0,,2208997,00.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>An interesting article appeared in the The Observer this weekend about mercenary interrogators being pressured to obtain information from Iraqis that can be used for propaganda for a war against Iran. Can we call this Operation Waterboarding For War?</p>
<p><a href="http://observer.guardian.co.uk/world/story/0,,2208997,00.html" rel="nofollow">http://observer.guardian.co.uk/world/story/0,,2208997,00.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Mace Price</title>
		<link>http://jimbovard.com/blog/2007/11/06/the-latest-torture-twists-turns/#comment-111706</link>
		<dc:creator>Mace Price</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Nov 2007 14:22:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>...Try this here quote on fer size Jimmy!  "We're an Empire now, and when we act, we create our own Reality. And while you're studying that Reality--Judiciously as you will--We'll act again, creating other new Realities,  which you can study too. And that's how things will sort out. We're History's actors...and you, all of you, will be left to study just what we do."

 --Attributed to a Bush Administration Official in a conversation with Reporter Ron Suskind

         ...That's precisely how far things of gone. he's insane enough to believe he and the others actually create Reality. Conversely, they may be correct...and end up creating one they won't be nearly as intoxicated with...Past that? This is the worst Goddamn thing I think I've read in 40 years.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8230;Try this here quote on fer size Jimmy!  &#8220;We&#8217;re an Empire now, and when we act, we create our own Reality. And while you&#8217;re studying that Reality&#8211;Judiciously as you will&#8211;We&#8217;ll act again, creating other new Realities,  which you can study too. And that&#8217;s how things will sort out. We&#8217;re History&#8217;s actors&#8230;and you, all of you, will be left to study just what we do.&#8221;</p>
<p> &#8211;Attributed to a Bush Administration Official in a conversation with Reporter Ron Suskind</p>
<p>         &#8230;That&#8217;s precisely how far things of gone. he&#8217;s insane enough to believe he and the others actually create Reality. Conversely, they may be correct&#8230;and end up creating one they won&#8217;t be nearly as intoxicated with&#8230;Past that? This is the worst Goddamn thing I think I&#8217;ve read in 40 years.</p>
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		<title>By: Mace Price</title>
		<link>http://jimbovard.com/blog/2007/11/06/the-latest-torture-twists-turns/#comment-111652</link>
		<dc:creator>Mace Price</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Nov 2007 11:43:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>...Sorry about the double post brethren</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8230;Sorry about the double post brethren</p>
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		<title>By: Mace Price</title>
		<link>http://jimbovard.com/blog/2007/11/06/the-latest-torture-twists-turns/#comment-111650</link>
		<dc:creator>Mace Price</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Nov 2007 11:38:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>...Dude...Ya gotta expect paralyzing silence from the neo-Cons--Particularly when you consider that their core Leadership were all formerly hard, ardent, Leftists. Through their Administrative approach toward, and subsequent effects of synthesizing Public Opinion; do they now control US Foreign Policy, Military Intelligence and virtually all the mechanisms of Power in Government...Given the appalling ignorance and indifference of The American electorate, it should come as no surprise that such consequences as we presently face were to be expected...I dunno...But it's said that the trouble with refusing to participate in Politics, is that you end up being ruled by your inferiors...Witness the Cabal of villains presently exercising their rationalized concepts of Democracy, as well as its export by Military Occupation, all at taxpayer expense. 

While this business of War and the so called "Unitary Executive" should not be tolerated by a Civilized electorate---And I use the term Civilized loosely--The real tragedy is the fraudulent, duplicitous, and transparent connivance of the, so called, alternative, anti-War movement. Currently alleged to be on the Political Agenda, and amongst the Assets of the Democratic Left. This pretense is particularly mortifying when checking the mounting casualty reports, and considering the nearly Trillion dollars squandered at the behest of none other than AIPAC, solely for the identification of Israel, a Nation subsidized by The US for 60 years, and, as a gesture of gratitude still conducts active Espionage operations against it. All toll? I find that to be the unkindest cut of all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8230;Dude&#8230;Ya gotta expect paralyzing silence from the neo-Cons&#8211;Particularly when you consider that their core Leadership were all formerly hard, ardent, Leftists. Through their Administrative approach toward, and subsequent effects of synthesizing Public Opinion; do they now control US Foreign Policy, Military Intelligence and virtually all the mechanisms of Power in Government&#8230;Given the appalling ignorance and indifference of The American electorate, it should come as no surprise that such consequences as we presently face were to be expected&#8230;I dunno&#8230;But it&#8217;s said that the trouble with refusing to participate in Politics, is that you end up being ruled by your inferiors&#8230;Witness the Cabal of villains presently exercising their rationalized concepts of Democracy, as well as its export by Military Occupation, all at taxpayer expense. </p>
<p>While this business of War and the so called &#8220;Unitary Executive&#8221; should not be tolerated by a Civilized electorate&#8212;And I use the term Civilized loosely&#8211;The real tragedy is the fraudulent, duplicitous, and transparent connivance of the, so called, alternative, anti-War movement. Currently alleged to be on the Political Agenda, and amongst the Assets of the Democratic Left. This pretense is particularly mortifying when checking the mounting casualty reports, and considering the nearly Trillion dollars squandered at the behest of none other than AIPAC, solely for the identification of Israel, a Nation subsidized by The US for 60 years, and, as a gesture of gratitude still conducts active Espionage operations against it. All toll? I find that to be the unkindest cut of all.</p>
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